Random observations from the ADE community
Quote:
20 year old Briana was shot at by her former boyfriend. The bullet, reported as “.40 caliber” presumably .40 S&W, passed through her windscreen and hit her at the back of the skull. Her hair weave prevented the bullet penetrating her skull. Her only injuries were minor and she never lost consciousness.
I like when the “what if’s” are put to the test. The “what if” in this case is…
What if I am hit by a TASER? How quickly can I get back into the action?
James Yeager found 3 volunteers and found out..
Video here.
Summary: If I were a cop, I may NEVER release that power button 
(Story found on TheFirearmBlog)
In response to a recent internet discussion regarding the manageability of a shotgun, I was reading the large number of comments about the shotgun being too unwieldy to be effective in home defense. This is easy to test at ADE .
So, we hijacked a student during today’s class and at the break and threw a
shotgun at him.
The student is not big (~5′8″, 130-140lbs) and had no experience with
rifles or shotguns. He got 5 minutes of training on safety,
operation and general technique and let him run the course. His
practice consisted of 2-3 dry operations of the shotgun so he would
understand the mechanisms.
The course was one close (4′) and one slightly distant (10′) opponent.
He performed this course, twice each, with a pistol and a shotgun.
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
Summary:
- 12 gauge recoil 00 Buck on winchester low recoil law enforcement ammunition is manageable even by those that have never shot a shotgun before. He didn’t drop the shotgun. it didn’t jump wildly about.
- acceptable accuracy with a rifle/shotgun is much easier to accomplish than with a handgun. Even his point shooting was dead on.
In contrast, his pistol shots were in both in the lung on the distant target. I would not bet that these pistol shots would instantly take
down an opponent and this is from a person that has trained ~5 hours with a pistol. With 5 minutes instruction he shot it as I would in a
close contact situation and was dead on. His 1st run though the course was low on the distal target and dead on in the 2nd run.
- the big downside seems to be the pumping mechanism. I considered him to be slow in operating the shotgun. With 30′ of
practice we could get him pumping with the recoil and his speed would probably be similar to his handgun work with more lethal results.
- This exercise really reaffirmed that the pistol really is a remarkably difficult to master weapon. With 5 hours of training, he
was somewhat lethal with a pistol — I tried to build up the stress during the exercise, his pistol shots were drifting as a
result. If you believe in shot placement, I would not want to rely on this skill level under the stress of a “real” engagement if you needed to stop somebody now. In
contrast, the shotgun was dependably operated (although slightly slowly) with this level of stress and SIGNIFICANTLY less training.
All for what it’s worth for 1 test case example… But, it was fun to test.
I was reading this ok story on a history of rifle caliber when I came across this comment that I felt was pretty interesting:
For those taking the shotgun class this Saturday, I found a well timed posting on The Box o’ Truth website.
He has put up an introductory How to Fight with a Shotgun tutorial. Its not bad at all.
Your homework? Read it, see what is similar and what is different about the ADE training on Saturday.
As described here, On March 5th, a 9 year LAPD veteran accidentally put a bullet through the wall of his home while cleaning his gun. The typical pattern is as follows:
Next time you are handling a firearm, take a moment to focus on keeping yourself focused — there is no excuse for an unsafe negligent discharge.
Hello everyone -
This weekend, ADE offers two exciting classes:
Sat March 1: Combat Handgun III at LAX Range
Sun March 2: Shoot House Ops (Rifles) & Warriors Test at
Burro Canyon
Saturday: This is a high intensity course for the
accomplished combat handgunner. It emphasizes single
operator tactics against multiple adversaries. Your
training includes the following:
Single operator close-contact engagements
Defense against simultaneous multi-directional attacks
Retreating while engaging multiple opponents with
sustained fire
Assaulting through hostiles in shoot – no shoot scenarios
Multiple assault courses requiring shoot-on-the-move
tactics
Emergency reloads and tactical reloads, executed while
moving
Sunday: Exciting Shoot House Operations with rifles and
another chance to pass the Warriors Test at Burro Canyon.
CONTACT: Bill Beasley (310) 514-1020
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AfgDesertCaton 09 Jan 2009 at 5:54 am
My $0.02
I served as a Squad Designated Marksman (M14-ERB) on my first tour and a Team Leader (M4) on my second. Both rifles have niche roles. I think that is due in part to the rifle design. However, I think this is primarily because of their respective ammunition’s characteristics. I can’t talk about terminal ballistics vs. external ballistics or muzzle energy or anything like that. What I can tell you is this:
People shot with a M14 drop with noticably greater frequency then those shot with a M4.
I don’t care what anyone says 762s are more predictable at greater distances than 556. Learn how to account for bullet drop and get over it.
Most soldiers can become proficient with an M4 rather quickly. (I think that is why it is so popular with wannabees.)
Most soldiers (even experienced ones,) have trouble with a M14.
SAWs (556) are great for surpressive fire. 240-Bravo (762) not so much.
240-Bravo will bust up a mudhouse. SAW not so much.
556 rounds don’t penetrate car windshields very well. 762 rounds do.
M14s will wear your ass out (shoot em and carrying em).
Hope it helps. But then again, what the hell do I know.